Quote:industry standard?gonna be very hard to doprotools continues to be the industry standard, because what it does it does well, and it's VERY user friendlyI've read a lot of articles and interviews with producers, and more and more are mentioning logic. It just seems like such an easy straighforward choice to go with the mac.Peronally, I'm going to be picking up Logic Studio with my new Macbook Pro, solely for the audio editing features they've added in. I wanted to go to the retail store yesterday to check it out, but they haven't installed it yet. This is a huge shot across the bow for Digidesign. Assuming Logic 8 is stable, and lives up to the advertised features, it's offering a hell of a lot more out of the box than Pro Tools.
Also it's written specifically for Mac OS, so there isn't the coding inefficiency from using a cross-platform code base (as Pro Tools does). And Logic doesn't lock you into using a fairly limited selection of audio hardware as Pro Tools does (much of which is of questionable quality, and tends to be artificially-obsoleted when Digi puts out updates to Pro Tools).Especially for people on laptops, who don't have any prior investment with Pro Tools or other audio-sequencers, Logic 8 is looking like a really good choice. Quote:I am looking into a buying a 24' IMAC, RME Fireface 400, and Logic studio. To Replace my PC, soundforge, acid and my crappy Maudio sound cardthis is why logic is now $500 including all the extras you could ever want. Apple wants to sell computers, and convert even more pc users.
With this move they are converting the pro audio users. Very smart marketing strategy. Also since now there's no dongle, just a simple serial, you can bet it will be on torrent sites (unlike logic pro 7 which was uncrackable) but they won't care, cause only macs will be able to run it, so if you want to crack it at least you'll have to buy a mac.
Smart, very smart. Quote:This is a huge shot across the bow for Digidesign.
Assuming Logic 8 is stable, and lives up to the advertised features, it's offering a hell of a lot more out of the box than Pro Tools. Also it's written specifically for Mac OS, so there isn't the coding inefficiency from using a cross-platform code base (as Pro Tools does). And Logic doesn't lock you into using a fairly limited selection of audio hardware as Pro Tools does (much of which is of questionable quality, and tends to be artificially-obsoleted when Digi puts out updates to Pro Tools).Especially for people on laptops, who don't have any prior investment with Pro Tools or other audio-sequencers, Logic 8 is looking like a really good choice.but remember. Protools was originaly written only for MAC os. So they have had years of keeping it stable.
But then again. APPLE wrote the code for both the OS and LOGIC so you deside.
Quote:I wonder how much the educational discount will help on just the upgrade from pro 7? That is what I am curious about.
I am closing in on laptop upgrade time as well. Maybe in about 4-6 months I will purchase the upgrade to Logic Studio and a nice mbp.Probably gonna sell my M-Box2 Pro (Factory) and get either the MOTU UltraLite or the MOTU Traveler at the same time.The Edirol FA-66 is excellent with Logic and very portable. I get the same peformance out of it as I get from my 828mkII. Quote:but remember. Protools was originaly written only for MAC os. So they have had years of keeping it stable.
But then again. APPLE wrote the code for both the OS and LOGIC so you desideIt's true Pro Tools started out as Mac-only, but when they ported it to Windows Digidesign started using a shared cross-platform codebase. That entails compromises in efficiency (so does the RTAS platform for plug-ins, as compared with Apple's Audio Units). I just got an email from Apple saying it my upgrade is on its way! NO MORE DONGLE!!!Logic is becoming the 2nd standard just as Final Cut is to Avid. The deal with Apogee is quite telling about where they want to go with this, though.
Digidesign's days are numbered. It may not be 2 years or even 4 but their days as the dominant DAW system are coming to a close. Pro Tools does make for a great multi-track tape replacement but when even country songs are heavy on beats and samples most people need the flexibility of something like Logic.
Plus Digi sucks. They are customer hostile. Quote:This is a huge shot across the bow for Digidesign. Assuming Logic 8 is stable, and lives up to the advertised features, it's offering a hell of a lot more out of the box than Pro Tools. Also it's written specifically for Mac OS, so there isn't the coding inefficiency from using a cross-platform code base (as Pro Tools does). And Logic doesn't lock you into using a fairly limited selection of audio hardware as Pro Tools does (much of which is of questionable quality, and tends to be artificially-obsoleted when Digi puts out updates to Pro Tools).Especially for people on laptops, who don't have any prior investment with Pro Tools or other audio-sequencers, Logic 8 is looking like a really good choice.What????
ProTools isnt written 'Cross-Platform' when you buy protools you get an XP disc and a Mac disc.u cant use either one on any computer. Well i'm a PC user so i guess its best for meI dont know too much about Logic but i know in PT.to really get use of all of what it has to feature on an industry standard levelyou really need to take the PT course.or know an audio engineer cuz it goes WAY beyond what u see on the screen. Pluss if you have all the damn plug-ins.geez u can do anything with PTI have never seen PT in a real studio on windows. Nuendo is the only windows DAW that I've ever seen in a room where they actually make their living recording. The mac version of PT is universal. The PC version is for the home studio crowd.
Quote:Logic is becoming the 2nd standard just as Final Cut is to Avid. The deal with Apogee is quite telling about where they want to go with this, though. Digidesign's days are numbered.
It may not be 2 years or even 4 but their days as the dominant DAW system are coming to a close. Pro Tools does make for a great multi-track tape replacement but when even country songs are heavy on beats and samples most people need the flexibility of something like Logic. Plus Digi sucks. They are customer hostile.Logic may be the 2nd standard as far as home based musicians but I think Nuendo is giving Slo-Tools more a run for the money in actual Pro studios. Nuendo 4 should definitely stir the pot a little more when it drops.
Quote:everyone afraid of getting ass fucked are still using audacityNow THAT is funny.I (first) bought Pro Tools in 1993, when $6,000 bought a system that was capable of playing four channels (two stereo tracks) of 44.1/16-bit audio. In 2007 dollars that would be a little over $8,500. Between that system and the computer and hard drive that were needed to run it, the total investment needed was well over $10,000 (over $14,000 in 2007 dollars).Needless to say, all that cutting-edge-for-1993 stuff is nearly worthless (in monetary value) in 2007.
But that's nothing compared to the cost of the first single-speed CD writers ($100,000) versus today's prices (can you even still buy something as humble as a mere CD burner anymore?).Whatever cutting-edge expensive computer-related stuff you buy today, rest assured that in 10 years or so it will have degraded to 'dumpster-diver-find' status. I paid well over $1,000 for my first 2x CD burner, a Sony Spressa. Two years later you could cop them at Frys for $75 and they were like 32x or something crazy.A couple years back I paid over $5,000 for my 42inch plasma. I see models at Costco now for SIX HUNDRED DOLLARS, just a couple years later.Apple iphone drops $200 in two months, plasma TV drops $4,400 in a couple years. Logic drops $500 in a couple months, do the math, people are getting ass fucked all over the world.Point is, I have a dozen stories about early adopters and price drops. Some people are apparently finding it hard to comprehend what 'supply & demand', 'comoditization' and 'economies of scale' do to prices of products. Quote:I paid well over $1,000 for my first 2x CD burner, a Sony Spressa.Funny, that's the first one I bought, in 1996.
My friend who had bought a Pinnacle 1x writer for $3,000 in 1995 was really pissed about it.we had those first pinnacle drives too at my work, at CompUSA when I worked there around 1993-94. That pinnacle was the first drive I ever used. Back when all the burning software SUCKED ASS. The best burning software was 'GEAR', and I think that was only for UNIX, maybe they had a windows version.Shit was like THOUSANDS of dollars and there was no decent burning software period. They all sucked.
There was no Burn-proof. Blank CD were FIFTEEN dollars each. Funny, I just checked the gear website. Used to be thousands, now $30.